Archive for September, 2010

September 27, 2010: 1:21 pm: Personal

This weekend, I worked on a Visual C# project, which was a lot of fun. I’ll probably write more about it later, when it’s fully developed and ready to release and all that fun stuff. But in the meantime, I spent several hours working on getting the form to look really, really cool when the program ran.

The only problem was that the logic didn’t work right.

Anyway, I finally gave up and started recoding all the behind the scenes stuff. The net result? Now the program works perfectly (up to the point I’m at—which is about 40% finished). But, all the cool form stuff I did?

Well…right now my program runs through everything and shows me the logic through MessageBox.Show() methods (when I need to verify it’s working). Other than that…it’s a blank form. Not even a button on it (actually, I did put a button on for a short time because I needed a way to re-call the Program() method I made rather than closing it and re-starting each time—but I didn’t even edit the text, so it was just “button1”—and now that I don’t need to test that part again, the button’s gone).

Yup, I might as well be writing a console program at this point. :-D

September 24, 2010: 3:07 pm: Arminianism, Calvinism, Philosophy, Theology

In the comments of my previous post, Arminianism in Time, drwyaman, J.C. Thibodaux, Brennon (Bossmanham), and ???????? have all weighed in to give Arminian or Molinist responses. (And to give the other side, Dominic Bnonn Tennant has also responded against some of those comments.) Now not all of the Arminians/Molinists listed above have contributed equally, and this post is not a direct response to any of them per se. Instead, this post is making a general response as well as pointing out certain things that I believe have been missed in the discussion. So I’m using them more as a launching pad then a foil.

Once again, I want to examine the counterfactual argument. As I originally put it:

“God knows what a man will freely choose. If the man chooses X, God knows that the man will choose X. But if the man would have chosen Y, then God would have known that the man chose Y instead. Therefore, the man’s choice is still free and self-determined, despite the fact that God knows what it will be.”

The angle I want to approach this issue is slightly different from last time. I want to look into the mechanics of how God knows what He knows. The counterfactual argument is actually making an argument about omniscience, and so looking into this is important. How is it that God knows what He knows?

???????? said (although from the way the comment was structured, this may actually be a quote from William Lane Craig—I couldn’t tell):

The point is, that just because something is known to be true, doesn’t mean that knowledge itself, makes it true.

Now it is certainly true that just because something is known to be true, that does not mean that knowledge of the thing is what makes it true. However, this type of response is only relevant to time-bound creatures. That is, we understand the truth of this statement because we learn. And we know that how we know something is independent of the veracity of the thing itself.

But this is disanalogous from the way God knows what He knows. First of all, in classical Christian philosophy, God is eternal and omniscient, which means He never learns anything at all. He has eternally known everything that is possible to be known (my preferred definition of “omniscience”). Therefore, right off the bat we’re running into problems with the above argument, as stated by ????????.

Suppose that you know a specific fact, but that you never learned that fact. You’ve always known that fact. By what basis do you know that fact? You cannot appeal to “I learned this fact” or “I saw this fact as it occurred” because you’ve always known the fact. Indeed, your knowledge of the fact, in such a structure, must be independent of any manner of learning.

So let’s give a more specific example. Suppose I say, “I have always known, since the instant I became aware of anything, that on September 25, 2010 [tomorrow, at the time I write this] I will eat chocolate chip cookies after dinner.” How would you examine that claim? How would you verify whether what I have said constitutes knowledge or not? I daresay everyone would deny that my statement actually is knowledge, because none of us has the experience of knowing something without having learned it.

But let’s suppose this is a genuine occurrence. How would it be possible? The only way that it would be possible for me to have always known that I would eat cookies after dinner tomorrow is if the basis of my knowledge is coextensive with my own existence. To use truth-maker terminology (although I’m not completely sold on truth-maker metaphysics), the truth-maker that determines my knowledge of eating chocolate cookies tomorrow must exist at least as long as the entire duration of my existence, in order for me to have always known this fact.

The same thing would be true of God. If God knows that I will eat chocolate chip cookies tomorrow (and, if that is a true statement, then God’s omniscience requires that He does know this), then the truth-maker for that statement must be eternal. Why? Because God doesn’t learn. And therefore, the truth-maker for this knowledge must be eternal like God is eternal.

This immediately rules out any created thing or action as being a truth-maker for God’s knowledge. The only option that remains is that God Himself is the truth-maker. Which ultimately is saying, “God knows that X will occur because God is the truth-maker for X occur.
How could that happen? Well, Biblically we know that God decrees what will happen. He foreordains whatsoever comes to pass. He has declared what will happen, and then He does it. In other words, it seems that Calvinism is the inevitable result of a belief in the eternal omniscience of God. The only way to avoid determinism or compatibilism is to assert that God is capable of learning—a denial of omniscience.

September 23, 2010: 8:24 pm: Roman Catholicism

Too bad for Dave I can post my comments in a forum [Triablogue & here--ed. mistyped this last night when I posted] that receives far more than double the hits per day he gets, so when he deletes them it only means more people read them. Here’s a comment I submitted:

Adomnan said:

This is enough to put you in the “nutjob” category. Anyone who believes that YEC is “credible” is a kook.

Adomnan, have you ever heard of me before?

Nope.

But Dave thinks so highly of me that he’s placed me “Among Leading Online Anti-Catholic Protestant Fundamentalists.” I’m leading the pack here. Right up there with Sproul and White!

It must break Dave’s heart to know I don’t care about him at all, that I only came here because TUAD mentioned it and I only commented because I found it so hilarious he put *ME* in another one of his stupid lists.

I can’t help that he’s so incompetent that he forgot how I told him three years ago (back when he called me just a “Lesser-Known Anti-Catholic”) that I wasn’t YEC. Check it for yourself: http://calvindude.com/dude/2007/10/02/a-lesser-known-anti-catholic/

I said on October 2, 2007:

I really loved this, especially since I’m not even YEC (as if YEC has any bearing on Dave Armstrong’s misuse of Scripture).

And now all you can do, Adomnan, is twist a comment I wrote on Triablogue. You didn’t read the whole thing, and there’s a *REASON* Dave didn’t post the whole thing (because he knows if he posts the whole thing everyone will realize he’s conducting a shell game here).

Dave doesn’t care about the truth, and it’s obvious you don’t either. You just have an agenda, and a need to twist everything into conformity with your false beliefs.

But who am I to lecture you? Oh yeah: I’m a leading online anti-Catholic.

And you still take anything Dave says seriously? Who’s the kook now?

The truth apparently hurts Dave, as he immediately deleted my comment. But now the world knows what he tried to hide.

: 9:24 am: Philosophy, Theology

I recently read this definition of omniscience (if you go to the link, it’s on page 7 of the PDF file, which corresponds to page 305 of the journal it was taken from):

A being X is omniscient iff:
(i) for every true proposition p, X knows p, and
(ii) there exists no proposition p such that X believes p and p is false.

So for fun….

1. Let p be the proposition: “God does not know p.”

That is, p is a self-referential proposition.

2. Suppose p is true.
3. Therefore, p is known by God, per (i).
4. If p is known by God, then p is false.
5. Therefore, if p is known by God, (ii) is false.

6. Suppose p is false.
7. Therefore, p is not known by God, per (ii).
8. If p is not known by God, then p is true.
9. Therefore, if p is not known by God, (i) is false.

To put this into words, for those who are less inclined toward reading logic, the original definition of omniscience is, in language form: “An omniscient being knows all true statements, and does not know any false statements.” Now, orthodox Christians believe God is omniscient, so we can examine a specific statement, the statement: “God does not know this statement.”

Typically, we would say the statement, “God does not know this statement” is either a true or false statement. If it is true, then God does not know the statement “God does not know this statement.” The result is that there is a true statement that God does not know. But the definition of omniscience includes in it the fact that “An omniscient being knows all true statements.”

On the other hand, if the statement is false, then we are saying God does know the statement “God does not know this statement.” But that means that God knows a false statement, which violates the second part of the definition: “An omniscient being…does not know any false statements.”

As I said, typically we would say the statement, “God does not know this statement” is either a true or false statement, but now we realize that the statement is neither true nor false; or rather, the truth value of the statement is in a constant state of flux. If it is true, then it is false; but if it is false, then it is true. So does God know these types of statements? The above definition of omniscience cannot tell us.

The result is that, at best, the above definition of omniscience is incomplete—it does not take into account statements that have variable truth-value. In other words, this definition of omniscience didn’t take Gödel into account.

September 15, 2010: 10:25 am: Arminianism, Philosophy

There is a common claim in Arminian internet circles that God’s foreknowledge of all future events is consistent with the idea that man still has free will. The argument generally goes like this: “God knows what a man will freely choose. If the man chooses X, God knows that the man will choose X. But if the man would have chosen Y, then God would have known that the man chose Y instead. Therefore, the man’s choice is still free and self-determined, despite the fact that God knows what it will be.”

Now I maintain that this position inevitably leads one to Open Theism where God cannot actually know what a person will choose until after said person has done so. Indeed, you can see this in the very language of the argument above. God knows a decision based on what the one who makes the decision actually does. That is, God only knows after (in the logical sense) the decision has already been made.

The only reason the Arminian argument can even get off the ground is because of the confusion most people have between a temporal “before” and a logical “before.” Most often, we are considering future events—that is, future from our perspective. And therefore, they have not temporally arrived. Now we all say that God knows the future. In fact, we would say that God is not temporal at all. That is not in dispute amongst Arminians and Calvinists. But that is also where the subtle shift in thought comes in, which causes the problems for the Arminian, for he confuses temporal sequence with logical sequence.

Let me try to give an example. Tomorrow, I either will or will not read any portion of the local newspaper. I do not know which I will do, for I do not even know if I will be alive tomorrow. But God does know. Now the Arminian claim is this: God knows because if I freely choose to read the newspaper then God has already seen that from His perspective and thus knows I will freely choose to read the newspaper. If I freely choose not to read the newspaper, then God has already seen that from His perspective and thus knows I will freely choose not to read the newspaper. Thus, the claim is, I freely choose and God still knows what I will do now, before I get to the future.

Yet the above requires that I actually choose before God knows what I choose. Just shifting it into the future from our perspective does not change the fact that from God’s perspective this choice has already occurred. In other words, the claim that “if you would have chosen otherwise, God would have known otherwise” is no different from saying “God doesn’t know what you will do until after you already do it.” The only difference is that we say God did all of this in our future. But our future is not God’s future, for He is not stuck in time with us.

There is another point that buttresses my argument. Even if we grant the Arminian view for the sake of argument, we are left with a determined future. It cannot be other than it is, for God knows what the future is. The distinction, says the Arminian, is that our choices are self-determined rather than determined by God. Let us go with that concept. If my choice to read a newspaper tomorrow or to refrain from reading a newspaper tomorrow is self-determined, then until my “self” exists to make that choice, then the choice has not been determined. That is, if I am the determining factor, such that I can say this choice is self-determined, then the choice cannot logically be determined before I, myself, determine it. So, in the end, if tomorrow’s choice to read or not to read is self-determined, then it cannot be known before I make the decision.

Simply shifting me into the future doesn’t help. For even if we say it is my future self that determines this choice, God can only know what that choice will be after my future self makes that choice. For until I actually exist to make that choice then the choice must be undetermined, else I am not the determiner of that choice.

Again, do not get caught up in the time aspect. All of these things can happen instantly from God’s perspective, yet He still cannot logically know what I will do until after I have done it, if I am the determiner of the action. Therefore, in essence, God functions little better than someone who watches a DVD he has seen before and knows what the next scene will be before the characters in the movie do; but he only knows that next scene because he’s already watched the movie at some point in his past. That means at some point in that past, the characters already acted out the scene. Thus, the characters’ actual future has already been completed in his past, and the observer has merely rewound time to see it again. This is hardly foreknowledge.

And this brings up problems similar to the time travel paradox. See, we know that God has intervened in time. He has given prophecy of things that will come to pass. Here’s the problem. If we determine our actions, then God has to logically wait (again, not temporally wait) until after we have made those decisions, and then He can intervene in our past to tell us what the result of those actions will be for us. Yet when we first made those decisions, we made them without God’s intervention. God could not have intervened at that point, for He did not know what our actions would be yet to tell us what would happen.

That means the universe we occupy after God informs us of what our future will be is no longer the universe we were in when the original decisions were made; thus, after telling us what the future (from our perspective) will be, God no longer knows what that future will be! He has to logically wait until we have made decisions based on our new information, and then He will know what that future will be once more. And if it’s still not what He wants it to be, He has to rewind and intervene yet again and the process repeats.

But here’s the real kicker. Consider the “you” that existed the first time God “ran the universe” under these implications. That you self-determined some action without God’s intervention. God decides to intervene instead. Now, the you that existed the first time God “ran the universe” no longer exists, for now you know something on this run-through that you didn’t know the first pass. As a result, what you self-determine could be completely, radically different—and indeed, what other reason would there be for God to intervene? If He’s not trying to change things, then there’s no need to intervene. But if He does change things, then the future is no longer what He saw and He has to let it play out again so He can know what the future has changed to.

But here’s the real mind-bending question: what is the difference between this you and that you as far as the subjective experience of the “you” is concerned? It appears to me that you would exist and you would have a specific history and then suddenly, poof, it’s gone (and you wouldn’t remember it, of course). You’re back in time and moving forward once more, but now God tells you something you didn’t know the first time. Everything after that point is affected by your new knowledge, and is not identical to the first pass through. The implication?

You could be on that false, original path right now and you would never know it.

For example, Christ promised to return having conquered death itself; but if we have actions that are self-determined, then He has to see how those will play out. Even though He intends a specific outcome, He has to logically wait to see what we will do in order to know what He would do. And though that takes no time from His perspective, from our perspective it does take time. So if we exist to make these choices, and if it turns out that our self-determined choices actually cause Satan to win, then God can go back in time (from our perspective) to intervene and change things, and all that we are right now will cease to exist. But that means that while we exist right now, God’s promise that Christ will return triumphant is actually a lie. He has to wait to see what we will do, then change it, and keep doing so until He finally gets the outcome He wants, but for all of those “false start” time threads, God is a liar. That we cease to exist and go down an alternate path later without remembering it doesn’t change the fact that now, as we are on that false path, God is a liar. This means this position cannot be Scriptural either.

So to summarize, if our actions are self-determined, then God must logically wait for us to determine our actions before He will know what we will determine. Saying, “If we would have chosen otherwise, then God would have known otherwise” actually proves this, for it explicitly states that God knows what we will do only because we have already, in God’s time, made the decision. But that isn’t foreknowledge (it is post-knowledge, for it is in God’s past even if it is in our future) and opens all kinds of problems with the flow of time. In other words, the Arminian position here is untenable pretty much any way you look at it.

September 8, 2010: 3:19 pm: Music, Personal, Theology

I didn’t make this video. I’m reposting it here for one of my friends who has turned away from the faith she once knew and who thinks her old friends hate her.